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hello good morning and welcome to
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hello good morning and welcome to

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another out of speec reviews video you

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join me at the Hub with this two of my

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friends just bought this Tesla Model S

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with over A4 million miles on it and

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what's super unique about it is

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typically when you see these very high

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mileage Teslas they're the early nose

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cone cars that have had a lot of time to

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accumulate the mileage well this is

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actually maybe The Sweet Spot in the

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model S lineup this is what's called a

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RAV and it means that it has some of the

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newer technology of the current

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Palladium Model S's like my Model S that

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I have uh but also some cool older stuff

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in there as well like the vertical

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screen and better seating position and

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others this car is from 2019 which is

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sort of the Goldilocks year we'll talk

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about that and it like I mentioned

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250,000 miles we'll tell you what Ben

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and Mike paid for this thing take you on

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a tour of it and of course give you some

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of the data because yes we've run it in

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our range test we've run it in the 10%

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Challenge and we've done a charging test

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evci good morning Benjamin hello so you

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guys just bought this which is a

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midnight silver midnight silver metal

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midnight silver Model S not a number so

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like typically with old Model S's

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they're like 70D or 85 90 100 whatever

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maybe this is just standard range yeah

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this is when they went they changed all

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the naming with the Raven um

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architecture upgrade so it's just as a

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dual motor doesn't actually tell you the

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battery let's show everyone just says

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dual mode so this was an odd time for

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Tesla because there's a couple changes

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to this that were unique so performance

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real quick oh now it's the fast the

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underly that's how you can tell before

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we get into everything can we just tell

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everyone what you guys paid for this yes

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so this thing was just about

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$99,000 under $110,000 after tax and it

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has FSD and it has FSD okay crazy that's

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an insane deal and it looks nice we'll

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take everyone on a tour and show them

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around this um but but just to kind of

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clarify what this car even is so Tesla

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in the early days had the nose cone cars

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yep that was up until about 2015 yeah

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2016 16 and a half is when they actually

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switched to the the new we were this is

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when we were at Tesla so we know all

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this stuff by heart but this is also

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when model 3 was out so you know model 3

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you saw that dual motor badging and

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things like that so this is when they're

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trying to justify Model S's to people

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instead of telling them to wait for a

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model 3 exactly right cuz model 3 had

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just come out maybe a year before this

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car and a little bit before that but

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that was mostly for employees who had

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the early ones it there was still a wait

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list for model 3 it was hard to get them

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and like and Tesla had S's and X's that

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arguably like aren't that much better

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than a model 3 and in many cases worse

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yeah and that's where this car was this

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was an attempt to justify a Model S to

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people who felt like they wanted to wait

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for a model 3 right exactly and so the

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model S for the Raven got some

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significant upgrades the first is when

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did Raven come out 2019 2019 I believe

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yeah and what's the build date on this

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one can we open up the uh April or

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something maybe there we go yeah five of

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19 May yeah and um so the first major

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change between this and older Model S's

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was the suspension yes so it's the

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Adaptive air suspension where you can

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adjust not just height but your firmness

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your softness and kind of how it reacts

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so it gives you more stable more

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comfortable ride you know the big thing

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up front as we've just been been

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experimenting with on the back roads

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today yes so the the big thing of course

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so the suspension is very similar to the

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current model S where you same part

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number for all we know might be the same

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drive this car drives great we we just

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had it very comfortable very compliant

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we'll we'll talk about your road trip

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but we did a whole podcast about that so

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that that will come for that one um

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permanent magnet front motor this is the

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first time model snx got a permanent

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magnet motor and the big thing for that

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is one pedal driving one pedal drive is

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awesome to have um feel is a lot more

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modern as a result that is the um model

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3's permanent magnet motor that you find

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in the rear of a model 3 shoved up front

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here and that is like a huge benefit of

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this generation car yes so then the rear

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is just the small induction unit but the

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problem is even if you got a performance

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one of these then you get the large

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Drive Unit in the back right y but those

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have a coolant isssue that you have to

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worry about not killing your inverter

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essentially right so you really want to

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avoid early Model S's all of them with

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large drive units because they will fail

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the motors not an if but when right and

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we have a whole Channel out of spec

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renew that goes into how to repair it

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how to preventatively repair it but it's

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thousands of dollars to do a coolant

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delete and you know all those early

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Model S's typically have launched a

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motor at some point due to like bearing

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issues and you know I I think actually

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Tesla really did a poor service to the

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early model S owners because they

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replaced them with Mot that also still

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have the fault yeah they didn't have a

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revision or anything that Sol the issue

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right up until a year ago the new ones

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do have a colant delete from Tesla oh

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wow yeah but it's like revision G or

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something yeah took him a couple letters

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to get there took a couple letters to

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get there so the other weird thing about

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your car Ben is this is not your typical

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Model S long range which was really the

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only one that was available at the time

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and then they offered for a very small

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window four months or something than it

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sounds like a standard range yeah so

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tell me about that 100 Kow battery 100

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KW hour battery this is a 75 KW battery

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so it's basically 75d that's kind of

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been upgraded in that since with the new

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Motors and the new interior technology

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and suspension um so it's a 350 volt

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battery pack nominal uh it's not uh what

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we've learned from this after our charge

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test is a model three with the same size

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battery can do a lot more with that

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battery for some reason in terms of

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charge rate what they really should have

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done was just put the model 3 battery in

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this that would have been amazing

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actually this car would be significantly

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more impressive with that because then

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you get really good charging right so

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the early model 3s which you and I both

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owned early model 3s 250 KW they ripped

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decent curve decent curve I mean they

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were the the thing was when those cars

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launched 2019 version 3 supercharging

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wasn't a thing yet so no one knew 250

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Kow charging was like going to be a

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thing all the model 3s were future

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proofed for it the the ones who are

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actually learning this for people in

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Europe with ccs and they're like whoa

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this thing can do 200 or you know yeah

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205 or whatever they were finding out at

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the time right and we were limited and

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so this car didn't seem that bad at the

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time um but when they unlocked version

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three charging it it all went like wow

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this charge is like ass yeah you had 130

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Kow Peak at like 12% and then it's just

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so at 50% state of charge you're getting

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like 65 Kow 65 Kow and the old model 3s

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would be doing well over a 100 yeah they

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could be yeah so that's the main problem

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with this Model S is they didn't have

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unlimited free supercharging that was

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transferable correct

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and what else yeah they just charge like

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ass but other than that most of these

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are going to be a long range out there

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that you'll find they'll be more

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expensive because of that but most of

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these will have 100 K pack which will do

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like upper 150s maybe I think that I've

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seen photos 180 yeah and you be rip and

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that's basically the like p100d battery

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yeah that's that's probably the real one

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have but as a commuter which is this

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car's purpose Chief was the win you know

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it's a beater car it's perfect for that

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so you guys found this car in Seattle

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and then you flew there from Raleigh Y

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and we're driving it back and you're

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driving it back which is why you stopped

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in here so we could run it through all

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the tests appreciate that and uh you

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know like I mentioned I'll leave the out

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ofpc podcast link below to where you

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talk about your road trip and everything

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let's just look at the condition can you

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pop the front trunk this is also from

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the era where Model S had physical keys

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right

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yes this one's got a bit of a

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questionable key case on it but yeah and

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this was a one-owner car right one-owner

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car and that is key I think when you're

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looking at these super high mileage

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Teslas um just because they don't

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require much maintenance but every car

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does need maintenance yeah like this one

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uh you know having the original like OE

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Tire spec on it you know that tells you

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a little bit how cars been cared for oh

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so it's still using the Tesla tires they

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just brought it there what are they oh

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wait keep it open real quick I want to

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see this so this is the same size front

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trunk I have in my Model S yeah and the

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new ones looks nice washer fluid fill is

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there I mean nothing looks super scuffed

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up no I don't think the front trunk had

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a lot of use but the rear trunk's in

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good shape too bag let's look at that uh

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as far as like do you want to see like

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things and scratches right yeah yeah

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show us all the problems missing a

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little little center cap there okay

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that's easy I think a dog chewed on this

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I'm going to be honest I've never seen

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that kind of dance before yeah that's a

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weird cuz like that's not really rock

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Acorn or hail dce here like two of those

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yeah pretty good though there's no like

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major scratches or anything you can tell

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they had roof rails on it before they

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had the protecor on

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y all the lights work and not a single

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burnt out LED on this car which is very

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nice that is nice got our leage back

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here yeah but you got the partition

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partition shelf which is good luggage it

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came with the UMC came with the UMC and

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the uh j1772 adapter wow J 1773 adapter

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unfortunately I'm bum padd charge that

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no paddle char are there um the cameras

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are really good I mean I've got a gen

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one rivan and uh the cameras are not

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amazing on that this camera is high

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death which is that's really sad also at

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the same time let's look at the back

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seat so the one thing with these high

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mileage cars you always want to check

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the back seat because they make sure it

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wasn't an Uber and are road trip food

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yeah some road trip food that's okay bet

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it looks brand new back here see so

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great I mean just a little bit but this

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is this weird uh own the owner put this

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like um door still plate that's like

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model but they put it on really poorly

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on this side yeah okay that's that's the

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only downside that's weird but whatever

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um but other than that dude this thing

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looks so nice you got that big glass

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roof super tinted like my uh Model S as

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well and you know I drove this car

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around today and you know my Model S is

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only a few years newer than this about 3

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years newer and this feels every bit as

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modern as my Model S now like the

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steering wheel is the old test steering

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wheel so like that is the thing you feel

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yeah let's show over on that cuz it's

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Big And Chunky but I think the seating

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position in this generation car is

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better now I think the seats get lower

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yeah the seats go lower and the wheel

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comes out farther which is something I

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mentioned when I talked about a um 2017

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Model S Alyssa's uncle's car this is

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really the only major wear and tear I

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would say this sort of break in the seat

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what do you think happened here Ben I uh

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I think that's just sliding in and out

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you know over the bolster so to speak

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yeah um but a car with 250,000 Mi have

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this be year your wear and tear it's not

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bad dude not bad and you can buy these

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seat covers for like 300 bucks on eBay

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maybe cheaper from Tesla who knows and

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these are the non Lether seats right yes

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yeah this is non- leather which is why

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it holds up so well I think so yeah I

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think you're getting out of the leather

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into the premium premium engineered

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synthetic material I think was they used

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to call it back then okay it's nice it's

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got Alcantara header lovely and it's

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also got this is going to be key for

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certain

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people oh dude it's still got the cover

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on there still got the protective

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sticker what the heck um but it's got

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the the lit vanity mirrors which didn't

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come out until I think uh probably about

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with Raven refresh I that was Raven

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That's model 3 part right there yeah

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exactly yeah so it's got like a bit of

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new stuff a bit of old stuff it's really

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the final run of Model S until the new

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Palladium cars came out and those are

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wider and the fenders yeah they stick

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out and so then they had the big

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horizontal screen this one's still got

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the vertical screen but it has MCU 2

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mcu2 so that means we get

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what everyone really wants I don't know

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where is it theater theater yeah YouTu

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you got your your media you can Tik Tok

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while you're driving that's all anyone

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needs to do I don't think you can do it

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while driving no but that's that's

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that's that's the dream right one day um

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does Tik Tok work anymore I'm going to

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I'm going to take a seat in here oh the

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seats are so nice wow I forgot I thought

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these seats sucked until I sat in your

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car and I was like no this is way better

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than new model S and you do sit lower

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you do yeah the seat gets lower Al

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you're sitting in might be more more

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broken in than this cushion cuz I think

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I'm sitting higher right now than you

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are yes I think this seat's just broken

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in really well yeah so the key is to

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have some with a bit of half drive the

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car for 200,000 mies that way the seat

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gets nice and low the phone gets squish

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down um but you know you've got your

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nice center console here with cup

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holders there and cup holders here and

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this is totally different than new model

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S yep but you still have you know you

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can cover it up I actually like this too

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these interchangeable these are on the

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the little uh pegs so you can kind of re

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range the size of that you need to um

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how many let's show everyone the mileage

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on this thing so if I oh yeah it's right

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up here

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25279 and you can see it shows Model S

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standard range now should we that's the

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only place that says it to I don't think

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you can see it in here if you're trying

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to identify oh it does say here the new

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um like a 2023 standard range car

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doesn't list it oh really yeah so let's

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go in here you have service mode yet so

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there was two different versions of

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these cars right Ben where there was I

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think you just tped I think you oh I

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just service yeah I'm sorry I was

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thinking and listening at the same time

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there were two different versions of

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this car go ahead can you explain the

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two like the 100 KW hour software locked

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version yes so um Center ranges in some

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rare instances had a 100 Kow battery

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that was software limited that's like

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the real like needle and a stack I think

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I've only heard of like three people on

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the form that's the one you want no no

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one has those yeah but

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that's the one you want if you can that

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400,000 km it's fun to see it in that

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other um damn that's great thing let's

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take a look at some details here so

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we'll go here to Vol test on it last

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night but I'll do that and then oh it

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doesn't allow it here though unless they

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moved it I someone told me they moved it

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oh um maybe under high voltage battery

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yeah so here's all the modules that's

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funny no information oh gu we have less

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modules don't we

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yeah but I think this is just showing

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your charge level okay it just happens

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to be on the line yeah tap on components

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to view more info okay it's like a half

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functioning wow there we

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go that's funny there's that seats what

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does it

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say calibrate seats nice I love that you

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still get this stuff now it's important

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to mention as well Ben that less than

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the thermal U page for sure yeah it

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doesn't have the heat pump or any of

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that stuff but it does have all the cool

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suspension mhm so that's same as my car

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right there um one thing we should

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mention is like the use of software

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updates this car is significantly more

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advanced than when it was first

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delivered yeah yeah got the media and

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the games and the apps it's got full

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self-driving so it does uh it's Hardware

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3 even as when they started coming out

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with it so it's got you know it's one

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version back from the big big update but

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still functional yeah it can get up to

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126 on the current one right now and and

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I do love the old stock down here to

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engage autopilot oh yeah I miss that and

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I like having the follow distance on

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there and everything you can go here the

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spin that's so much better than all the

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new stuff and that you know in FSD it

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changes to chill assertive or average

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and the great thing is when it there's

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no interior camera while we're talking

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about FSD oh so it doesn't uh yell at

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you if you look away for 5 seconds it

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just needs to feel torque on the wheel

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which means you can just put a hand

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there and leave it kind of resting and

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that's flick that lever backwards and

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it'll just dismiss the warning that's so

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cool I mean I just love the ergonomics

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of this car so much more than the new s

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it's really good and uh I think because

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you have the narrow screen you've got

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really good leg room in here for your

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knes you can really mans spread in this

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car yeah it's it's just so comfortable I

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just they had this so dialed in and it

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went some things got improved with the

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new Palladium cars but some things got

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worse for sure you lost a lot of

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functionality here yeah so in my Model S

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I don't get any trip computer info I

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don't get any consumption info up there

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and like on these gens you just put any

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bit of addition info you want to see

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love that on the sze so good and so I

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just don't know why we can't have that

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in the current cars yeah and they made a

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whole big deal about the reason we're

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doing the Yol steering wheel is so that

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you can have a better view of the screen

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and then they don't show anything on

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that screen I know it's crazy at least

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you can get a round wheel

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now Point

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proen um these also have a cold weather

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pack standard um Raven cars do so heated

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steer wheel heated receipts amazing so

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you're up to tier with like pretty much

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any model three would be at that point

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so so I mean if you're looking for a

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used high mileage Tesla this is kind of

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The Sweet Spot because you get the Uber

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comfortable ride with the Adaptive

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damper you get honestly a relatively new

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car still with an unlimited mileage

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battery warranty which they don't do

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anymore so this car is still under

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warranty it does it's got 2 and a half

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years of warranty left uh that's true

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cuz you're right in 2020 they switched

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to that um I think it was 150,000 miile

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warranty however the warranty change

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brings one other language change so this

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was 8year 100 limited mile warranty and

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battery and drivetrain they don't have

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any call out for uh battery capacity

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retention whereas in that one that's up

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to 150,000 miles in a 2020 car yeah that

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warranty says retention of

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70% interesting um capacity so it would

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be hard to get this car warrantied for

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degradation mhm but battery dealt with

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for that whereas on the new one you

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would theoretically be able to if there

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was an issue like that but so tell me

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tell me about the capacity Ryan just did

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a range test do we know how many

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kilowatt hours he pulled during that

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test we don't but why don't I can our

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scan by Tesla app and we'll get some

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we'll get some data in the range test

19:03

we'll be able to see exactly all the the

19:05

nerd details but what we can say is this

19:07

still did over 200

19:11

miles uh it's charging so it's not happy

19:14

to turn on uh but it still did over 200

19:16

mil at 70 mph yeah which is for the

19:19

smaller battery not bad at all

19:20

especially considering I think we've

19:22

guesstimated this has somewhere between

19:25

15% and maybe 177% degradation between

19:28

15 to 177% degradation in A4 million

19:31

miles and it did from 100 till it

19:32

stopped moving like 203 mil or something

19:35

like that 26 or yeah 20 yeah that's

19:37

right till it stopped moving was like

19:38

206 or 207 but at 70 it maintained 203

19:42

mil and it wasn't perfect conditions no

19:45

M hour Crosswinds yep so it I mean it's

19:47

still a 200 mile range Model S yeah

19:50

that's pretty awesome on a on a full

19:52

charge mind you but that's full to it's

19:54

dead yeah below zero it's not a road

19:56

trip Warrior uh will not be setting

19:58

Cannonball records anytime soon so

20:01

mostly because of the charging

20:02

performance mostly the charging

20:03

performance yeah now again that's really

20:05

easily solved with the larger

20:07

battery but at this point I was like oh

20:09

250,000 Mi that's funny let's buy that

20:11

one it wasn't really like what's the

20:13

best car like we're going to take a road

20:14

trip we'll take our rivan or our gas car

20:16

or whatever we got um we don't ever have

20:18

to like road trip this but it's just

20:20

it's kind of fun to have you know well I

20:22

mean you are doing like a 3,000 m road

20:24

trip one time one time I I like to

20:26

strust the one time on that next time

20:29

you see me out in Colorado I will take

20:30

the rivion I think it does make sense if

20:32

you have a long commute and home

20:34

charging yeah something like great

20:35

opport cuz you could charge it up 80 90%

20:37

every day and then boogie There does

20:40

seem to be a problem with the battery

20:41

though in

20:42

this think yes maybe the start of a

20:45

problem which is there seems to be a

20:47

weak cell group and the car doesn't love

20:50

to charge to 100% I don't think we've

20:52

gotten it to 100% yet not yet uh but

20:55

also we don't I mean we it's been

20:56

supercharging this whole trip and then

20:58

we just tried one time really so we we I

21:00

can get an update on that I guess there

21:03

is this is our um battery modules and

21:06

you can see you know module 5 here has

21:09

the biggest voltage difference of

21:11

anything else yeah in some cases a

21:13

difference of3 volts so bigger than

21:17

bigger than you want yeah bigger than

21:18

you want normally you want to be in like

21:19

the

21:20

.05 something like that so this is a

21:23

factor of 10 different um that and that

21:25

cell group tends to be one of the warmer

21:27

ones as well interestingly resistance

21:29

it's possible we might be able to get a

21:31

battery out of this thing um see what we

21:33

can get you maybe we'll get a 90 or 100

21:34

thrown in there hey you never know what

21:36

what we can say though is it still went

21:38

without any issue or any fuss to below

21:41

0% didn't give any problems and it's

21:43

very accurate at the low end yeah very

21:45

accurate it just charges so slow above

21:48

90% And then stops at like 90 anywhere

21:51

between 93 and 98% yeah it it stopped at

21:53

95 and I went out and unplugged it

21:55

plugged it back in we got up to like 97

21:57

I think right so you know maybe it's

21:59

just a case of you need to beat the crap

22:00

out of it for it to work itself back

22:02

into shape but I do we're exercise it

22:04

this trip yeah I think you do have a

22:05

weak sell group uh in there now I guess

22:08

the question is why did the previous

22:09

owner sell it at right at 250,000 miles

22:13

Milestone right you think you just

22:14

wanted to get it there vanity I drove

22:16

that my car for 250,000 Mi and had no

22:19

problems wouldn't that be fun to say can

22:21

we did you pull the service history on

22:22

this there's no way to do it Tesla

22:23

doesn't report anything they do now that

22:25

you own the car oh it's not in the app

22:28

is it it you could message them and I

22:29

think they'll send you a service history

22:31

we'll see I mean as far as we can tell

22:32

it's original battery it's done 1,600

22:34

Cycles yeah this is the original battery

22:36

there's no way it's not and uh

22:39

everything else seems pretty good on it

22:40

I'm I'm really impressed with how nice

22:43

Everything feels we drove this car no

22:44

rattles really no squeaks it off it

22:47

honestly is quieter than my new model S

22:49

it is and unfortunately unfortunately

22:51

but yes it really is and uh like it

22:54

drives really nice the the one issue

22:56

with these though is if you're an

22:57

Enthusiast driver

22:59

yeah the thermal performance on these is

23:00

not amazing we think it's probably motor

23:02

or inverter yeah I think it's inverter

23:04

yeah but uh we did it back country like

23:05

up the

23:06

hills it's really bad it uh you know

23:09

your your maximum output is about 300 KW

23:12

um Drive power and then it kind of

23:14

slowly came down from there after a

23:16

little while and then it eventually fell

23:18

on its face at like 130 KW output which

23:20

was essentially just the front motor

23:22

limping us along cuz I think the rear

23:24

shut way too hot at that point and that

23:26

is interesting because it has that front

23:28

Perman magnet motor it's always pulling

23:30

itself along yes that's that's the most

23:32

efficient motor so this is the most

23:33

front-wheel drive and actually most

23:35

Model S configurations that are all

23:37

Drive are more front bias up until the

23:39

current ones did they switch that around

23:42

finally current one is now permanent

23:43

rear but which permanent rear is it is

23:46

mod performance rear I think it's a

23:48

Model S specific configuration more

23:52

power new padium car Raven these are

23:55

good for about 4 seconds 0 to 60

23:56

depending on the long range or short

23:58

range range I standard range I think

23:59

they're the same yeah um whereas like

24:02

you jump now and you're like 3 seconds

24:03

you're to 60 on it yeah they got a lot

24:05

faster they charge a lot better now yes

24:07

oh yeah so I think if you can find one

24:08

of these with a long range battery and

24:11

you're not like playing the game of

24:13

let's buy the cheapest high maybe 15

24:15

Grand 18 Grand 18 Grand get a long range

24:19

um Raven's worth the upgrade though I

24:20

think I think so I think you save

24:22

yourself a lot of headache from the

24:23

early cars or just 2018 and newer cuz

24:25

that gives you the mcu2 with the new

24:27

software and the screen don't yellow and

24:29

leak don't yellow they don't leak you

24:31

have the more responsive software so

24:32

everything just is like what we think of

24:35

Tesla Snappy so to speak um just works

24:38

better that way totally you can do your

24:40

your media which uh if you are getting a

24:42

sander range you will want to be using

24:44

the YouTube while charging so yeah this

24:46

one how long do you think your average

24:48

charging stops are 25 minutes at least

24:51

and you're getting up to what 50% yep 20

24:53

minutes to 50% usually or maybe a little

24:55

under that but it's it's when you need

24:57

that extra 30% where you're going up to

25:00

like 70 80s per that's where you're like

25:04

I mean you start looking at the screen

25:05

you're like oh we're getting 18 kows and

25:07

I'm watching paint dry up here at 80% so

25:10

yeah it starts doing single digits

25:12

before 90% in this car yeah yeah it's

25:15

it's uh after you get to like

25:17

60% you uh subtract from 100 your state

25:21

of charge and then that's your kilow

25:22

basically so if you're at 90 you know

25:25

and you stack you got 10 is what it's

25:26

going to DC charge at forever I think

25:29

Ryan said it took 3 hours to go Zer to

25:31

100 I think it was 2 hours and 53

25:32

minutes or something like that it's

25:34

crazy yeah it's that last it's that last

25:37

20% that really kills it really last 30%

25:40

I would say Okay up to 70 is all right

25:42

but for home charging who cares doesn't

25:44

matter it doesn't matter this is a

25:45

communting car most people aren't going

25:46

to Cannonball this across country

25:47

they're going to buy it and they're

25:48

going to drive it as an everyday car and

25:50

that's what you guys bought it for

25:51

that's why we bought it and it's going

25:52

to be perfect for that if you weren't

25:54

halfway I don't think we would have

25:55

driven this I think we would have

25:55

shipped it something like that um all

25:58

right well is there anything else to

26:00

show on this thing I mean it's certainly

26:02

um in the 10% challenge we can share

26:04

with the viewers it only did a little

26:06

bit better than a bz 4X I think bz 4X

26:09

was like 42 mil and this was 53 miles

26:12

something like that and the new model S

26:14

is well over a 100 miles so a huge

26:17

difference in road trip performance but

26:19

for under 10 grand I don't and tax

26:23

credit on this car if you qualify we uh

26:25

we did not qualify but if you're income

26:28

ifies you I don't know what the limit is

26:29

maybe 70 grand or but if you're below

26:32

that you could have this with four grand

26:34

off I think potentially that would have

26:36

been you could probably find one of

26:37

these in the teens uper teens and be out

26:40

you know in a 12 $15,000 car you know on

26:43

a $20,000 Model S and get everything you

26:45

want and if you are a road Trier then

26:46

that large battery is nice but for most

26:48

people not going to be we should also

26:50

mention no accident history no paintwork

26:52

as far as we can tell only the paintwork

26:54

Tesla did right only the the bad

26:56

original paintwork yeah yeah it's all

26:58

original it's just not done well painted

27:01

it just wasn't painted right yeah

27:03

although actually uh is this not maybe

27:05

one of the better eras for Model S Paint

27:07

quality would you think I feel like this

27:08

is still when Tesla cared yeah like cuz

27:11

I don't see any like runs or anything no

27:14

I mean Colton didn't look at it he'll

27:16

find something wrong with anything you

27:18

there's some panel gaps that are like

27:20

less good here you know we got a little

27:23

yeah I think maybe the the bumper had a

27:25

little someone knocked into it or

27:26

something I don't know mhm it doesn't

27:28

matter for n Grand I mean that's

27:30

basically the price of FSD if yeah oh so

27:33

did you wonder if FSD adds value to the

27:35

car

27:37

no or actually maybe this car is worth

27:39

$0 and it's only n Grand or 10 grand

27:41

because it's got FSD but that's the

27:43

thing it's still really nice and what's

27:45

even crazier is you know I got out of my

27:47

Model S and into this car and I was like

27:49

wow I sit better in here it's just as

27:51

comfortable it's just as quiet yeah you

27:52

s here like yeah you just you sink into

27:55

it it's just nice and so you know is the

27:58

move I really think ignore the early

28:01

Model S's unless you're a tinkerer and

28:03

feel okay rebuilding Motors and stuff

28:05

those are a little scary yeah yeah well

28:09

they're they're they're fine cuz

28:10

everyone knows what could go wrong you

28:12

want to go old and cheap and you really

28:13

want value Focus go for like a 90 or

28:16

100d pre- rven car small drive units and

28:20

some of those you can get the um coil

28:22

suspension on still if you're worried

28:23

about air suspension but yes 250,000 Mi

28:25

the air suspension works so seen on it

28:28

doesn't dude we went up and down in this

28:30

it seems okay everything seems okay

28:32

that's the crazy part there's no stored

28:33

faults in service mode it doesn't have

28:35

any errors other than like you know oh

28:37

you un unexpected charging plug the

28:39

usual thing so I mean it's just an

28:42

amazing deal I've never seen a car this

28:44

nice I mean if you told me this car had

28:46

50,000 mil on it I would believe it I'd

28:48

be like yeah that sounds about right uh

28:50

I'd be like man 50,000 mil someone

28:52

wasn't careful with the bolster but I

28:53

would understand it I would be okay

28:54

that's fine it's not abnormal for a car

28:56

with miles so congratulations on the car

28:59

stay tuned for our testing videos to

29:01

come maybe they've already gone up I

29:03

don't know when this video is going to

29:04

go up but Ben and Mike are continuing

29:06

off to North Carolina in this so you

29:08

still have a couple thousand miles to go

29:10

yeah and uh what do you expect for the

29:12

trip uh right now uh I expect a lot of

29:16

charging stops I'm going to I don't

29:17

think we're skipping many superchargers

29:19

let me put it that way yeah but you know

29:21

it's actually like it doesn't feel that

29:23

bad until you have to make a big charge

29:25

you know if you have to do like 130 mile

29:28

appap that's the one charge where you're

29:29

like oh this feels like it's dragging on

29:31

but a lot of times you plug in grab a

29:33

snack grab a drink it doesn't feel that

29:35

Antiquated at all um and again we knew

29:38

it wasn't good with the road Tripper so

29:40

well congratulations thanks for uh

29:42

bringing it by here letting us test it

29:45

and shout out to whoever drove this

29:47

thing 250,000 miles if you're watching

29:49

this video that's awesome thanks for

29:51

taking care of it for these guys and uh

29:53

I think Ben and Mike are going to hold

29:54

on to this for a while right that's the

29:55

plan yeah so degradation result results

29:58

will be in that video right so that's

30:00

the real question a qu million miles

30:02

original

30:03

battery do you got to worry or not

30:05

probably not I think like that weak cell

30:08

group does scare me a little bit on this

30:10

specific car yeah yeah now there's no

30:12

Faults for it it's just a little weak

30:14

and and it could be with a few full

30:15

charges we'll get a bit of imbalance we

30:18

were looking today on the drive not well

30:20

park it wasn't perfect but it was more

30:22

closely spaced than it was before so

30:24

doing these range tests and actually

30:25

doing a full 100% charge has B the sells

30:28

out for yeah sometimes it's a good idea

30:30

to drain it all the way and charge it

30:32

all the way just to whack it back into

30:33

shape yeah yeah cuz I think it's I think

30:36

a lot of these cars can't really do a

30:37

good job balancing at middle charges

30:39

they kind of have to be up the top

30:41

absolutely absolutely well uh thank you

30:44

all for watching another Out ofec

30:45

reviews video shout out to the quarter

30:47

million mile Model S that seems to be

30:49

totally fine my buddy Alex who runs the

30:51

autospec renew Channel he has like a

30:54

400,000 Mi Model S but it's had a

30:57

battery and motor replacement this thing

30:59

and that's an early one this thing

31:02

pretty much original no major issues

31:05

original I just imagining the motors are

31:07

cuz they don't really go wrong these

31:08

motor types are are very the one thing

31:11

you can't fault Tesla for is reliability

31:13

and Longevity they just hold up so well

31:15

yeah you can fault them for a lot of

31:17

other stuff I and I think Model S

31:20

especially cuz they were this car sort

31:22

of engineered no compromises initially

31:24

and then they paired it back over time

31:27

but I think compared to like early 3es

31:29

those are showing their age a little

31:31

more cuz they were kind of trying to be

31:32

costc conscious of a lot of the parts

31:34

whereas they were not as focused on on S

31:36

in some ways yeah they did a nice job so

31:39

thanks for watching we'll see you all in

31:40

another one again soon more updates on

31:42

this car probably over the years as we

31:44

catch up with Ben and Mike and we'll see

31:46

you again soon bye-bye